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So I went to the first organizational meeting of Occupy New Haven, in the attempt to join a friend (readnfight, on Tumblr) in what was to be a POC block - basically, to make sure that if this was going to happen, it was going to right up front dispense with the “We Are All the 99%” rhetoric that erases the experiences of POC, trans and queer folk in movements and organizing everywhere.
So:
-a bunch of white dudes hogged the floor no joke, probably 3-4 taking up most of the time. (no surprises there)
-one white guy said “we are all people of color.” (I said “no, we’re not.” He got heated. He did come up to apologize to me later, weirdly enough. Seemed somewhat sincere, although I can’t tell how much actually sunk in.)
-a bit of xenophobic rhetoric about “American Jobs and products” was thrown around. Somebody did get up and address that point directly, thankfully.
-Folks tried to turn the subject to organizing before POC got the chance to speak in stack - it took a lot of agonizing points of process before the stack got re-established and some rad folks got the chance to speak to some of the rhetoric.
-The idea was passed around of beginning the occupation in a primarily POC neighborhood - totally ignoring the fact that that neighborhood is ALREADY occupied by the police, and that a movement like this beginning there would probably double or triple the police presence there. (eventually it was decided to happen on the City Green, and only after folks agreed to do some outreach to the homeless folks who are there as so not to bring a police presence that would basically evict them from their last resort.)
-One white dude who spoke an AWFUL lot had taken the liberty of contacting the parks and rec commisioner, the mayor’s office and the police chief to inquire about location options. The only positive consequence of this that I can see is there being portable toilets brought to the green.
-One white dude said something about “why are there no people of color here?” ignoring the many black and brown faces in the crowd. He then proceeded to say something I couldn’t hear (as I had broken off into the “outreach group” at that point.) I was later told it was “WE NEED TO GET THE PEOPLE OF COLOR OFF THE COUCH AND DOWN HERE TO OUR MEETINGS.” pretty sure he got called out for that one, and I know that firesandwords went to tell him why that was fucked up afterward.
-another white dude said we didn’t have to worry about the police being aggressive towards the homeless because they weren’t being aggro at Wall Steet. He then said something about how “I’ve never had a police encounter in New Haven, but we can assume…” etc.
As far as I can tell, the only things that got decided was when and where the occupation would begin. Some groundwork was laid for “outreach” which seemed positive, seemed as though some folks really understood that if this was going to be successful it absolutely had to cater to people of color, to be relevant to us, and to go out of downtown to let people know about it - not just putting up a facebook post and getting mad when “no people of color show up.” From what I saw when I arrived (which was maybe 30-40 minutes late), there was a lot of destructive, insensitive and erasing rhetoric being thrown around (just like in the larger movement and at Wall Street, go figure). And if there hadn’t been POC and some allies there to bring those points up, they would’ve gone on being forgotten and erased, or tabled til later because they were “dividing/overcomplicating” the message. I got that sinking ship feeling less than 20 minutes after arriving because there were SO many things going predictably wrong.
But yeah. readnfight has been making some good points in analysis of the Wall Street movement, and the fact that for fuck’s sake it HAS HAS HAS to be relevant and inclusive to people of color if you actually care about building a movement that doesn’t replicate the same racism and oppression as the system it is protesting. That it has to recognize some of the truly revolutionary acts that aren’t headline grabbing that work to make lasting change, and to build on those. Seriously. Scope her tumblr for some of the better commentary on this whole thing, no joke. But what I saw here tonight was a LOT more of the same and only got a tiny, tiny bit better since I had some folks to crack jokes about it with.
Ugh, this seems horrible but unfortunately, not surprising.
I was at occupy New Haven meeting also. I agree with a lot of what you have to say but I still have some thoughts and questions about this.
In regards to the group of 4-5 people who took the time to use the meeting as their personal soapbox, I think they were the catalyst for the calls to move to organizing over rhetoric. I think it would be hard to find anyone in attendance who wasn’t, at some point, tired of hearing them speak. I don’t think it was an attempt to leave anyone’s voice unheard but to move the group away from the same “I am mad at rich people” mantra that was getting recycled over and over. I was definitely supportive of this at first, but in the end I am happy the stack’s order was reestablished because after those same few people stopped taking center stage a lot of good points were made that needed to be heard.I wonder though, what bad came from the guy who reached out to the police, mayor, rec office, etc.? It seemed sensible to me for someone to check the legal groundwork for any occupation. Had he discovered that, say, the green was not a place we’d be able to occupy that would’ve changed the entire conversation of the group. I think the information he brought back was valuable, even if it won’t amount to much more than portable bathrooms.
Your point about people not understanding the impact of occupying in areas like Whalley or Dixwell is something I had to spend some time thinking about it. I think most of the people in the group would never have considered the consequences of an additional police presence in those areas, be that a statement of their lack of understanding of the New Haven community or not, it highlights the importance of your presence at the meeting. I’ll be the first to say I am not a native of New Haven and that leaves me at a disadvantage of in the conversation. To me though, its incredibly important to make sure the insight of people who have that kind of knowledge are there and their voices are heard. Your criticisms of the group is spot on but my only hope is that it does not discourage you from continuing to attend as your voice is desperately needed in that conversation. This is only the first baby steps of this movement here and you have the opportunity to shape it so that it represents the distinct culture of New Haven and not just what middle class white activists think that is.
I’m gonna be kinda bitter about this, not directed at you specifically but at people’s overall resistance to ask necessary questions. I’m the one who brought up the police presence already going on on both Whalley & Dixwell and that we can’t afford any more shit going down over here, and that we need to be super careful about being on the Green because it needs to still be a decent backup place for folks to sleep (I mean, how deeply ironic is a bunch of nonhomeless people “reclaiming” public space that’s already been reclaimed by homeless people?).
I blocked consensus on that because it looked like people were just moving forward without thinking about the consequences that protestors could then walk away from when shit’s over. I don’t want to be rude or discourage people from getting involved in this work in New Haven or anywhere—I think any time folks decide to get started organizing, that’s great—but when there are that many people working on something with so little experience and so little knowledge of local history and work already being done, people need to do their homework. You can’t jump into things and think what you’re doing has never been done before (the Green’s been occupied many times before, as have many other areas downtown) or that no one’s already addressing all the issues.
So if people wanna get involved in something like this for the first time, they need to be asking questions, lots and lots of them. And they need to be listening. There needs to be self-reflection all along. There needs to be a serious attempt to get to know other people already doing this work (hint: in New Haven, that mostly means working with people of color) and the histories of the neighborhoods here and what those neighborhoods actually need. White people in tents is not something Whalley Ave. needs, for starters.
I guess what confused me about the Whalley Ave. suggestion is, what did people think Whalley Ave. is, if not a depressed, diverse but mostly POC neighborhood with a huge police presence? Why was that surprising? Why camp out somewhere that you know so little about that you don’t even know that much, let alone live there or do work based there?
Also, it’s not the duty of people of color to educate white people on these things. In fact, after implying it is, the person above me then posted the fact that it’s not our job, so… I guess rhetoric and action aren’t matching up. During the meeting there was lip-service being paid to people of color, at the same time that several of us were leaving feeling really really shitty. Me and troubledsigh and our other friends who were bringing this shit up don’t have to be there to get white people to understand that race is related to the economy, especially when it is so draining and leaves us feeling so disillusioned and unappreciated. People need to do research if they want to do serious work. I didn’t see much of any signs that that was going to happen, and I am no one’s encyclopedia of what black people want and need.
I’m totally cool with people being ignorant of things. I have no patience, however, for people being willfully ignorant. The clearly racist bullshit that’s quoted in the original post, I should add, was said in response to me and another black woman talking about the work already being done by people of color here—that’s some bad faith, knee-jerk shit. Neither me nor the original poster are natives of Connecticut, either, but as soon as I moved here 7 years ago I started asking questions about what was going on and what I could be doing here.
My measuring stick that I usually use to decide how I feel about work being done here is whether I would invite my students, mostly teenagers of color who live in POC neighborhoods in New Haven, to take part in it, whether I feel it would be a good, empowering environment for them, and something I would trust they would be respected. There are projects I have invited students to, and I have worked on related projects to some of my students’ work. Occupy New Haven, so far, is not something I would invite a single one of them to. I am willing to help people do their homework, but I will not do it for them.