zorascreation:

Many Women of Color have called you out on your whitewashing of their issues in relation to racial injustice and how it affects things central to women’s experiences across the planet. Many of you have learned from these experiences about how to navigate your White Privilege while still being a disenfranchised gender-group. However, I don’t think much attention has been payed (despite negative attention) to how Men of Color relate to you all.

Now, I’m genderqueer, but as I’ve said before Black Man/Man of Color is my politicized identity based on how [some] people may perceive me and have in the past. Even though I was raised-as-a-boy, I’ve still always been gender-bending/genderqueer, and people have “misgendered” me as a woman as I’ve gained in age (thanks to mama’s genes! <3). But, because I am still affected by MOC issues, it’s time I spoke out a bit more.

Tip for the future: if you think to take it upon yourself to dictate to a Man of Color about how works such as “Othello” relate to him and his maleness? Do not. It is a crime against your critical thinking skills. I think that many times you all don’t realize how MOC are, like you, privileged and non-privileged in two major areas. Except for MOC it’s the reverse of WW’s experiences. For MOC it’s “of color while men” and for WW it’s “white while women”. There are levels of privilege and power in play for MOC that do not always translate to a universal experience of Patriarchy due to White Supremacy.

For instance, when speaking about how Patriarchy hurts men, I’ve noticed that MOC do not gain any sort of acknowledgement in these discussions unless the discussion is being held between WOC. This is only natural because you [White Women] do not suffer from institutional racism and thus issues relating to race have always been unseen to you. The racial-gender hierarchy in much of the Western World, and even in non-Western countries affected by Colonialism, Imperalism and Eurocentrism, pits White Women above MOC. Sometimes, as bell hooks has illustrated, MOC and White Women may share the same societal status by the factors of Maleness for MOC and Whiteness for White Women, but it’s incumbent upon White Women to holistically realize how male repression has forever been used as an oppressive tool against MOC by White Women themselves.

This is why I do my feminism for people of color first, and not just women of color but all people of color, because many genders have things we can gain from such a framework. My feminism doesn’t revolve around women’s rights or women’s equality (both concepts that I find limited anyhow), but rather around centering the needs of women and/or trans* people of color. These things are not separable for me.

(via karnythia)

yslcageheels:

readnfight:

lazybeautiful:

superdreaming:

microaggressions:

“Hey! White girl! I love you! You are beautiful!”

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Shouted to me on the street 15+ times a day during my study abroad experience in Nicaragua. I never truly understood what it meant to feel objectified until this experience.

been reading a lot about racism/white anti-racists/cultural appropriation/how to not be a super shitty privileged person today and i’m not sure this microaggression is a good/right thing at all. like…this person may have glimpsed one kind of objectification through this experience but i don’t know about the whole idea of a “white girl” being “objectified” by people in Nicaragua during their study abroad (implies college/post-secondary education, some level of financial privilege) and the whole idea of “understanding” as a way of showing that white people can be oppressed too (i feel like the leap from “objectification” to “oppression” is a pretty small one here/one that can and will be read into it by other people as an example of how POC can be racist against white folks)? because just by the sheer fact said person was white and in a place where non-white people were catcalling them does not mean they were being oppressed? i don’t know, can someone smarter than me talk more about this, if they feel like tackling the issue? sometimes debating things with myself too long gets tricky because i’m not sure how to factcheck myself (googling “is this thing i think racist/oppressive” doesn’t work well at all) 

so glad I’m not the only one who had a problem with that microaggression. being praised for fitting into the western/Euro-centric beauty model is nothing compared to the struggles POC face for not fitting in this model in the US and other majority white countries. being told that you’re pretty is not oppression. yeah, it’s objectification, but it’s objectification based on the beauty ideals the west has exported around the world.

I wouldn’t call any of it oppression. if being called beautiful is the worst thing that happens to you when you’re abroad, then you’re lucky. when POC go abroad, from what I’ve heard, they face much, much worse. so this microaggression reeks of privilege and really isn’t on the same level of racial oppression compared to the other ones they post.

but if I’m wrong, feel free to correct me in terms of POC experiences abroad. 

Yes, thank y’all! I read that with mytongueisforked and both of us were giving that an OH HELL NO.

Yes, you could call that objectification, i.e. a woman’s body is being assumed to be public property/a commodity/open to commentary. But, is objectification on its own oppression? Linked with something larger, sure; like I’m not going to argue that white women aren’t oppressed on the basis of being women. But specifying race and location and “It was the first time this happened to me!” is way fishy, and undermines any chance this had of getting my sympathy.

My scattered thoughts on this:

• If this woman had never before felt objectified, then great! but she’s really lucky to have never been made to feel that way, let alone to feel that way constantly like many female/trans* people do. My skepticism kicks in when someone is blurting out that they’ve never experienced something that is everyday for the people they’re speaking to.
• Specifying that this happened in Nicaragua reinforces stereotypes about hypersexual latino men, that men of color lust after white women, etc. Had she never been somewhere back home that men could have said the same thing? I mean, I can picture dudes on my block saying that to a white woman; did she only encounter men of color by traveling to another country?
• And with that, it reinforces the idea that men of color are a threat because of their lust for white women, that they are dangerous, and that, just as in this example, they will put white women in deviant and dangerous positions that white men never would, e.g. being objectified on the street. This shit is serious and lethal—generations of men of color were/are lynched for this threat.
• “White girl, you are beautiful” is said EVERY FUCKING DAY. Did she never feel her skin color being fetishized when this same catcall was made by billboards and magazines and cosmetics and lynchings? If she ever overheard a white man telling a black friend, “You’re cute for a black girl,” would she feel equally objectified and offended?
• I am a light-skinned black woman in a black & latino neighborhood. When men talk to me on the street, as happens fairly often, I feel the light tanness of my skin. I don’t appreciate the catcalls, but they are telling as to how my gender is raced and vice-versa. In this situation, I have to feel my skin color and how it is being weighed against that of other black women; white women don’t have to feel this.

Is that what is so offensive, attaching a name—WHITENESS—to white women’s genders and sexual objectification? That is all I can see that is out of the white supremacy ordinary. You don’t need a study abroad program for that; go take a walk around the block.

I appreciate that the racial politics of the initial post are suspect, and agree with the subsequent discussion, but the bits that I have bolded are also very problematic. Being catcalled by strange men is not the same as being told you are beautiful or being praised - it’s not a compliment when a person you don’t know makes an unsolicited comment about your appearance like that. Telling women to basically take street harassment as a compliment is wrong. And, I do in fact think that the objectification of women’s bodies is oppressive - certainly different than race-based oppression, or class-based oppression, but yes, objectification is oppressive, although there is obviously intersection. Objectification of a woman’s body does not have to be linked with another issues to be oppressive. I mean, I don’t think it’s counterproductive to any of the arguments advanced here to also acknowledge that street harassment and the pervasive objectification of women are very bad things. I don’t think we have to be sympathetic, if we don’t feel that way, but why go on to diminish the experiences of the many, many women who have had to deal with this situation? That is not necessary to make a really valid point.

I think you missed some of our points. I didn’t say anything that at all means to take harassment as a compliment. I did say that this line of harassment, commenting on white women’s whiteness, is a part of white supremacy alongside being a part of sexism.

When men comment on my being light-skinned, I do not take it as a compliment at all, and never said so above. On those grounds, I am privileged among women of color (and on other grounds, such as sexuality, I am further marginalized among women of color—intersectionality, yo).

If anything, this is a reminder of why I fight hard in support of black women. That fight at no point involves telling white women to just accept sexism, but it absolutely requires that they understand the power dynamics they have with people of color and take responsibility for their words and actions and their position within white supremacy.

I’m not trying to fight sexism alongside white women who need to vilify men of color to make their point about sexism—we aren’t fighting the same fights anyway.

lazybeautiful:

superdreaming:

microaggressions:

“Hey! White girl! I love you! You are beautiful!”

—

Shouted to me on the street 15+ times a day during my study abroad experience in Nicaragua. I never truly understood what it meant to feel objectified until this experience.

been reading a lot about racism/white anti-racists/cultural appropriation/how to not be a super shitty privileged person today and i’m not sure this microaggression is a good/right thing at all. like…this person may have glimpsed one kind of objectification through this experience but i don’t know about the whole idea of a “white girl” being “objectified” by people in Nicaragua during their study abroad (implies college/post-secondary education, some level of financial privilege) and the whole idea of “understanding” as a way of showing that white people can be oppressed too (i feel like the leap from “objectification” to “oppression” is a pretty small one here/one that can and will be read into it by other people as an example of how POC can be racist against white folks)? because just by the sheer fact said person was white and in a place where non-white people were catcalling them does not mean they were being oppressed? i don’t know, can someone smarter than me talk more about this, if they feel like tackling the issue? sometimes debating things with myself too long gets tricky because i’m not sure how to factcheck myself (googling “is this thing i think racist/oppressive” doesn’t work well at all) 

so glad I’m not the only one who had a problem with that microaggression. being praised for fitting into the western/Euro-centric beauty model is nothing compared to the struggles POC face for not fitting in this model in the US and other majority white countries. being told that you’re pretty is not oppression. yeah, it’s objectification, but it’s objectification based on the beauty ideals the west has exported around the world.

I wouldn’t call any of it oppression. if being called beautiful is the worst thing that happens to you when you’re abroad, then you’re lucky. when POC go abroad, from what I’ve heard, they face much, much worse. so this microaggression reeks of privilege and really isn’t on the same level of racial oppression compared to the other ones they post.

but if I’m wrong, feel free to correct me in terms of POC experiences abroad. 

Yes, thank y’all! I read that with mytongueisforked and both of us were giving that an OH HELL NO.

Yes, you could call that objectification, i.e. a woman’s body is being assumed to be public property/a commodity/open to commentary. But, is objectification on its own oppression? Linked with something larger, sure; like I’m not going to argue that white women aren’t oppressed on the basis of being women. But specifying race and location and “It was the first time this happened to me!” is way fishy, and undermines any chance this had of getting my sympathy.

My scattered thoughts on this:

• If this woman had never before felt objectified, then great! but she’s really lucky to have never been made to feel that way, let alone to feel that way constantly like many female/trans* people do. My skepticism kicks in when someone is blurting out that they’ve never experienced something that is everyday for the people they’re speaking to.
• Specifying that this happened in Nicaragua reinforces stereotypes about hypersexual latino men, that men of color lust after white women, etc. Had she never been somewhere back home that men could have said the same thing? I mean, I can picture dudes on my block saying that to a white woman; did she only encounter men of color by traveling to another country?
• And with that, it reinforces the idea that men of color are a threat because of their lust for white women, that they are dangerous, and that, just as in this example, they will put white women in deviant and dangerous positions that white men never would, e.g. being objectified on the street. This shit is serious and lethal—generations of men of color were/are lynched for this threat.
• “White girl, you are beautiful” is said EVERY FUCKING DAY. Did she never feel her skin color being fetishized when this same catcall was made by billboards and magazines and cosmetics and lynchings? If she ever overheard a white man telling a black friend, “You’re cute for a black girl,” would she feel equally objectified and offended?
• I am a light-skinned black woman in a black & latino neighborhood. When men talk to me on the street, as happens fairly often, I feel the light tanness of my skin. I don’t appreciate the catcalls, but they are telling as to how my gender is raced and vice-versa. In this situation, I have to feel my skin color and how it is being weighed against that of other black women; white women don’t have to feel this.

Is that what is so offensive, attaching a name—WHITENESS—to white women’s genders and sexual objectification? That is all I can see that is out of the white supremacy ordinary. You don’t need a study abroad program for that; go take a walk around the block.